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T O P I C R E V I E Wcchampliss2.FaithWow - is Venus conjunct their sun?Transiting NN on the DSC so no wonder you can't shake this. I think you mentioned it ended suddenly...like it was over before it was time. Maybe the transiting nodal axis conjunct ASC-DSC axis will give you another chance?Neptune as a chart ruler is pretty tough, I think, unless it's strongly placed. You know there is the added chance of drifting together instead of nailing things down. Well here, Neptune hitting your sun and sextile composite 8H MARS-PLUTO so of course, you are going to keep dreaming of this very obsessive and deep energy between you two. The relationship energy (embodied in chart ruler Neptune) is getting to you directly.Also check your natal Neptune against this chart and see if anything stands out. But, back to Mars-Pluto, it's trine 5H Cancer moon-Chiron. If you have any planets aspecting that...it's like a bank of sensitivity and pain but also apparent potential and healing, in a too-prominent place (the 5H), so you can't ignore it, it's just crying out for attention in the Leo-like 5H spotlight. If you have planets aspecting moon in your natal, no wonder you can't ignore it.Mercury rules the IC and 4th house, which is where I look for signs of "they'll end up together" (just my bias). The 4th house is empty and Mercury isn't strongly aspected here. Mercury is only semisextile Neptune, from what I gather. So there is potential for confused thinking between you two...And Mercury is in Sag, in the 9th house, which hints at something blunt that may have been said that impacts the relationship to the core (the IC)? But you seem to be left in that Neptune fog of "what happened?" Maybe you can clarify it for them, still, since it's your sun hitting Neptune. I would imagine you have that potential, to completely clear things up, but I could be wrong...In my experience (which is limited) top-heavy composites may have more struggles staying together, but it's not impossible, I've seen them last. Hope you can patch it up, if that's what you want. Feel better. FaithOh I didn't see that..."was that you?" Sad to lose something so great. But it's no wonder you had some telepathy with Neptune doing so much there. cchampliss2 quote:Originally posted by Faith:Wow - is Venus conjunct their sun?Yes, how did you know? Composite venus falls in my natal 8th house, but their natal venus falls in my 7th. If that makes sense? Composite sun is conjunct my natal venus. Edit: they made it seem like they weren't really into it and that it didn't faze them one bit. I'll have to get back to your other observations in another response. Was this all some sort of illusion? Faith quote:Originally posted by cchampliss2:Yes, how did you know? I know your sun, and the composite sun is equidistant from your sun and theirs. quote:Originally posted by cchampliss2:Composite sun is conjunct my natal venus. Probably makes the relationship seem ideal to you in some ways. quote:Originally posted by cchampliss2:Edit: they made it seem like they weren't really into it and that it didn't faze them one bit. Well, Scorpio suns feign nonchalance sometimes, right? Like Joni Mitchell (Scorpio) sang: "If you care, don't let them know. Don't give yourself away." ("Both Sides Now" ) Of course sometimes they genuinely don't care, but...I think not many people can really toss off a relationship where they can communicate with vibes alone... quote:Originally posted by cchampliss2:Was this all some sort of illusion? With Mars conjunct Pluto (and Juno) trine moon? Seems both of you must've registered the intensity...but perhaps 8H Mars conjunct Pluto has the effect of HIDING the Mars element? Making it almost secretive? Ugh, gotta get off this computer and sleep.Best wishes, I'll check this thread tomorrow. cchampliss2Thanks Faith, I have to get off this thing too. OrangeI think it's the TR Saturn over Composite Sun that started the cooling off process. Then it approached the Comp Saturn and its now headed towards Composite Uranus which will free you from the remaining emotional ties. Both you and her are going thru the Saturn over Uranus transit in your charts. Actually, I said " her" but you never really mention gender identity in any of your posts, you usually say "them" and "they" so my apologies for assuming.anyway, the Composite looks not so engaging on its own so maybe the relationship wasn't getting enough endorphin.cchampliss2 quote:Originally posted by Orange:I think it's the TR Saturn over Composite Sun that started the cooling off process. Then it approached the Comp Saturn and its now headed towards Composite Uranus which will free you from the remaining emotional ties. Both you and her are going thru the Saturn over Uranus transit in your charts. Actually, I said " her" but you never really mention gender identity in any of your posts, you usually say "them" and "they" so my apologies for assuming.anyway, the Composite looks not so engaging on its own so maybe the relationship wasn't getting enough endorphin.=/ not too engaging, huh? She/her is just fine. I keep it neutral just for other readers. In case it helps them for whatever reason. TR Saturn was conjunct my natal venus when we met and my n Venus conjuncts composite sun. When the transit ended, I felt the disconnect and cooling off. If Saturn over Uranus will give me a break from this attachment, that would be nice. Saturn AND chiron were both big in this one. We're both going through those transits all at once.😔Thanks for the feedback Orange. Orange quote:Originally posted by cchampliss2: =/ not too engaging, huh? nopecchampliss2. cchampliss2I think being on these forums is making me over-analyze everything. From personal transits, to synastry and composites. And it's tearing me up. I'll call it a day with astrology for awhile. It's a bit much. todda simple reason for the falling out is Uranus is square the node. this is a astral/psychihc connection and is what connected you psychically. but the moon/sun midpoint and the chiron/sun midpoints are also square the node nd conjunct the sun.the sun/moon midpoint is very important as it symbolizes so much of the energy in a chart.conjunct urnaus it shows therlationship would be unstable and not last event though there was a strong astral connection.moon conjunct to chiron shows that you are a over analyizer,it is not astrology ,it is you.toddcchampliss2 quote:Originally posted by todd:a simple reason for the falling out is Uranus is square the node. this is a astral/psychihc connection and is what connected you psychically. but the moon/sun midpoint and the chiron/sun midpoints are also square the node nd conjunct the sun.the sun/moon midpoint is very important as it symbolizes so much of the energy in a chart.conjunct urnaus it shows therlationship would be unstable and not last event though there was a strong astral connection.moon conjunct to chiron shows that you are a over analyizer,it is not astrology ,it is you.toddSince it is the composite and that shows the relationship, would that make it so for both of us? We had moon conjunct chiron DW in synastry as well. Edit: And I understand the point you're making in that astrology has the ability to show us who we are and different aspects of ourselves we might not be aware of. It is what it is. The point I'm trying to make is the information coming up related to these things is difficult to manage all at once, especially if healing is a slow process. The problem with these forums and people responding to them, is that when anyone posts their charts, be it synastry, composites or natal, that leaves it open to interpretation that is subjective. There is a sense of vulnerability in doing so, too. The act of responding behind a computer takes away from the human interaction involved in it, which can be a little dry, cold or distant. And in this point in processing the recent events in my life, I can do with a little less of that and go for responses that are filled with a little more humanity, compassion and understanding. Seeking clarity through astrology, doesn't have to negate those things in the process. But thank you Todd for your feedback. FaithSorry if I said anything insensitive.cchampliss2 quote:Originally posted by Faith:Sorry if I said anything insensitive.That wasn't directed at you Faith. Thank you as well for your in depth feedback. I forgot to thank you last night and I'm sorry about that. FaithAhhh okay, thanks for clarifying. Feel better todd quote:Originally posted by cchampliss2: Since it is the composite and that shows the relationship, would that make it so for both of us? We had moon conjunct chiron DW in synastry as well. Edit: And I understand the point you're making in that astrology has the ability to show us who we are and different aspects of ourselves we might not be aware of. It is what it is. The point I'm trying to make is the information coming up related to these things is difficult to manage all at once, especially if healing is a slow process. The problem with these forums and people responding to them, is that when anyone posts their charts, be it synastry, composites or natal, that leaves it open to interpretation that is subjective. There is a sense of vulnerability in doing so, too. The act of responding behind a computer takes away from the human interaction involved in it, which can be a little dry, cold or distant. And in this point in processing the recent events in my life, I can do with a little less of that and go for responses that are filled with a little more humanity, compassion and understanding. Seeking clarity through astrology, doesn't have to negate those things in the process. But thank you Todd for your feedback. well I still am missing your point. you submitted your chart. all interpretation is subjective. astrology can give very accurate analysis but if you miss the human touch why don't you consult a therapist instead of a astrologer.many here disapprove of my style which is to list the easy aspects and the difficult aspects. most astrologer's here like to emphasize the positive and ignore the negative. that is a soothing way to go but life is not always soothing.toddcchampliss2 quote:Originally posted by todd: well I still am missing your point. you submitted your chart. all interpretation is subjective. astrology can give very accurate analysis but if you miss the human touch why don't you consult a therapist instead of a astrologer.many here disapprove of my style which is to list the easy aspects and the difficult aspects. most astrologer's here like to emphasize the positive and ignore the negative. that is a soothing way to go but life is not always soothing.toddOkay todd with a lowercase 't' I guess you did miss my point and that's okay. I don't expect you to get that point since you never displayed any sense of it to begin with. Many here disapprove of your technique but who gives a s*** right? It's just a matter of charts and angles for you. My point is this: You don't have to be a DICK. And this: Go F U C K yourself. FaithWe're all just amateurs. Derive comfort from that when the reading is too negative; apply skepticism when the reading is too positive. You and your intuition know best.
Transiting NN on the DSC so no wonder you can't shake this. I think you mentioned it ended suddenly...like it was over before it was time. Maybe the transiting nodal axis conjunct ASC-DSC axis will give you another chance?
Neptune as a chart ruler is pretty tough, I think, unless it's strongly placed. You know there is the added chance of drifting together instead of nailing things down. Well here, Neptune hitting your sun and sextile composite 8H MARS-PLUTO so of course, you are going to keep dreaming of this very obsessive and deep energy between you two. The relationship energy (embodied in chart ruler Neptune) is getting to you directly.
Also check your natal Neptune against this chart and see if anything stands out.
But, back to Mars-Pluto, it's trine 5H Cancer moon-Chiron. If you have any planets aspecting that...it's like a bank of sensitivity and pain but also apparent potential and healing, in a too-prominent place (the 5H), so you can't ignore it, it's just crying out for attention in the Leo-like 5H spotlight. If you have planets aspecting moon in your natal, no wonder you can't ignore it.
Mercury rules the IC and 4th house, which is where I look for signs of "they'll end up together" (just my bias). The 4th house is empty and Mercury isn't strongly aspected here. Mercury is only semisextile Neptune, from what I gather. So there is potential for confused thinking between you two...
And Mercury is in Sag, in the 9th house, which hints at something blunt that may have been said that impacts the relationship to the core (the IC)? But you seem to be left in that Neptune fog of "what happened?" Maybe you can clarify it for them, still, since it's your sun hitting Neptune. I would imagine you have that potential, to completely clear things up, but I could be wrong...
In my experience (which is limited) top-heavy composites may have more struggles staying together, but it's not impossible, I've seen them last.
Hope you can patch it up, if that's what you want. Feel better.
Sad to lose something so great.
But it's no wonder you had some telepathy with Neptune doing so much there.
quote:Originally posted by Faith:Wow - is Venus conjunct their sun?
Yes, how did you know? Composite venus falls in my natal 8th house, but their natal venus falls in my 7th. If that makes sense? Composite sun is conjunct my natal venus.
Edit: they made it seem like they weren't really into it and that it didn't faze them one bit.
I'll have to get back to your other observations in another response. Was this all some sort of illusion?
quote:Originally posted by cchampliss2:Yes, how did you know?
I know your sun, and the composite sun is equidistant from your sun and theirs.
quote:Originally posted by cchampliss2:Composite sun is conjunct my natal venus.
Probably makes the relationship seem ideal to you in some ways.
quote:Originally posted by cchampliss2:Edit: they made it seem like they weren't really into it and that it didn't faze them one bit.
Well, Scorpio suns feign nonchalance sometimes, right? Like Joni Mitchell (Scorpio) sang: "If you care, don't let them know. Don't give yourself away." ("Both Sides Now" )
Of course sometimes they genuinely don't care, but...I think not many people can really toss off a relationship where they can communicate with vibes alone...
quote:Originally posted by cchampliss2:Was this all some sort of illusion?
With Mars conjunct Pluto (and Juno) trine moon? Seems both of you must've registered the intensity...but perhaps 8H Mars conjunct Pluto has the effect of HIDING the Mars element? Making it almost secretive?
Ugh, gotta get off this computer and sleep.
Best wishes, I'll check this thread tomorrow.
anyway, the Composite looks not so engaging on its own so maybe the relationship wasn't getting enough endorphin.
quote:Originally posted by Orange:I think it's the TR Saturn over Composite Sun that started the cooling off process. Then it approached the Comp Saturn and its now headed towards Composite Uranus which will free you from the remaining emotional ties. Both you and her are going thru the Saturn over Uranus transit in your charts. Actually, I said " her" but you never really mention gender identity in any of your posts, you usually say "them" and "they" so my apologies for assuming.anyway, the Composite looks not so engaging on its own so maybe the relationship wasn't getting enough endorphin.
=/ not too engaging, huh?
She/her is just fine. I keep it neutral just for other readers. In case it helps them for whatever reason.
TR Saturn was conjunct my natal venus when we met and my n Venus conjuncts composite sun. When the transit ended, I felt the disconnect and cooling off. If Saturn over Uranus will give me a break from this attachment, that would be nice.
Saturn AND chiron were both big in this one. We're both going through those transits all at once.😔
Thanks for the feedback Orange.
quote:Originally posted by cchampliss2: =/ not too engaging, huh?
nope
I'll call it a day with astrology for awhile. It's a bit much.
todd
quote:Originally posted by todd:a simple reason for the falling out is Uranus is square the node. this is a astral/psychihc connection and is what connected you psychically. but the moon/sun midpoint and the chiron/sun midpoints are also square the node nd conjunct the sun.the sun/moon midpoint is very important as it symbolizes so much of the energy in a chart.conjunct urnaus it shows therlationship would be unstable and not last event though there was a strong astral connection.moon conjunct to chiron shows that you are a over analyizer,it is not astrology ,it is you.todd
Since it is the composite and that shows the relationship, would that make it so for both of us? We had moon conjunct chiron DW in synastry as well.
Edit:
And I understand the point you're making in that astrology has the ability to show us who we are and different aspects of ourselves we might not be aware of. It is what it is. The point I'm trying to make is the information coming up related to these things is difficult to manage all at once, especially if healing is a slow process.
The problem with these forums and people responding to them, is that when anyone posts their charts, be it synastry, composites or natal, that leaves it open to interpretation that is subjective. There is a sense of vulnerability in doing so, too. The act of responding behind a computer takes away from the human interaction involved in it, which can be a little dry, cold or distant.
And in this point in processing the recent events in my life, I can do with a little less of that and go for responses that are filled with a little more humanity, compassion and understanding. Seeking clarity through astrology, doesn't have to negate those things in the process.
But thank you Todd for your feedback.
quote:Originally posted by Faith:Sorry if I said anything insensitive.
That wasn't directed at you Faith. Thank you as well for your in depth feedback. I forgot to thank you last night and I'm sorry about that.
Feel better
quote:Originally posted by cchampliss2: Since it is the composite and that shows the relationship, would that make it so for both of us? We had moon conjunct chiron DW in synastry as well. Edit: And I understand the point you're making in that astrology has the ability to show us who we are and different aspects of ourselves we might not be aware of. It is what it is. The point I'm trying to make is the information coming up related to these things is difficult to manage all at once, especially if healing is a slow process. The problem with these forums and people responding to them, is that when anyone posts their charts, be it synastry, composites or natal, that leaves it open to interpretation that is subjective. There is a sense of vulnerability in doing so, too. The act of responding behind a computer takes away from the human interaction involved in it, which can be a little dry, cold or distant. And in this point in processing the recent events in my life, I can do with a little less of that and go for responses that are filled with a little more humanity, compassion and understanding. Seeking clarity through astrology, doesn't have to negate those things in the process. But thank you Todd for your feedback.
well I still am missing your point. you submitted your chart. all interpretation is subjective. astrology can give very accurate analysis but if you miss the human touch why don't you consult a therapist instead of a astrologer.many here disapprove of my style which is to list the easy aspects and the difficult aspects. most astrologer's here like to emphasize the positive and ignore the negative. that is a soothing way to go but life is not always soothing.todd
quote:Originally posted by todd: well I still am missing your point. you submitted your chart. all interpretation is subjective. astrology can give very accurate analysis but if you miss the human touch why don't you consult a therapist instead of a astrologer.many here disapprove of my style which is to list the easy aspects and the difficult aspects. most astrologer's here like to emphasize the positive and ignore the negative. that is a soothing way to go but life is not always soothing.todd
Okay todd with a lowercase 't' I guess you did miss my point and that's okay. I don't expect you to get that point since you never displayed any sense of it to begin with. Many here disapprove of your technique but who gives a s*** right? It's just a matter of charts and angles for you. My point is this:
You don't have to be a DICK.
And this:
Go F U C K yourself.
Derive comfort from that when the reading is too negative; apply skepticism when the reading is too positive.
You and your intuition know best.
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